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governing? >> there's certainly similari similariti similarities. when you're president of the united states, you need to do persuading. there are certain skill sets in common. one of the big differences when you campaign, you can be pretty vague and you can hedge. when you're governing, you have to make choices, and you've got to make decisions that have real policy implications. that's the big difference. >> can you name people who ran bad campaigns and were good presidents, and then people who ran good campaigns. >> i suspect the example of someone running a good campaign but not good as president might be lyndon johnson in '64. he ran a very powerful campaign and won 62%, 63% of the vote but didn't govern effectively. >> you know, john, i think it was sydney bloomentha hal who described it, but the process is eternal. it's endless. i kind of wonder when we talk about the connection between campaign skills and governing skills, if came paining is permanent, it's political too. you understand
governing? >> there's certainly similari similariti similarities. when you're president of the united states, you need to do persuading. there are certain skill sets in common. one of the big differences when you campaign, you can be pretty vague and you can hedge. when you're governing, you have to make choices, and you've got to make decisions that have real policy implications. that's the big difference. >> can you name people who ran bad campaigns and were good presidents, and...
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total control of the government? think about that for a second. mitch mcconnell is talking about democrats controlling the senate and the white house and democrats controlling the house. i mean, few people other than nancy pelosi and other house democrats are talking about the democrats conceivably taking control of the house. but mitch mcconnell seems to think that's a possibility. as the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell is most concerned with senate seats and that's what he's backstopping here when pitching to donors. but the pitch he's making to republican donors is amazing. he's pitching that republicans need to work hard and collect your hard-earned money to hold on to seats in the senate because the republicans will lose the house and incidentally saying that mitt romney will lose the race for the white house. it's like it goes without saying for these guys now. this is the guy more in charge of the republican senate message than anybody else in the country. and his pitch is mitt romney is going to lose. you need us so democr
total control of the government? think about that for a second. mitch mcconnell is talking about democrats controlling the senate and the white house and democrats controlling the house. i mean, few people other than nancy pelosi and other house democrats are talking about the democrats conceivably taking control of the house. but mitch mcconnell seems to think that's a possibility. as the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell is most concerned with senate seats and that's what he's...
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crowds are angry about tax hikes, government spending cuts and unemployment rate. now back to "lockup." >>> utah state prison is an institution in flux constantly adjusting to the changes in the state's evolving criminal landscape, especially the trend of younger and more violent inmates coming into the system. many of these men also come to the prison affiliated with a gang. inside utah state prison, there are more than 150 recognized gangs. prison officials say the white supremacists pose one of the greatest threats. >> my whole family's skin heads. i was raised that way. my dad, my uncles, all my cousins. i been getting tattoos since i was 13 years old. once you start getting tattoos, it's addicting. the ink is addicting. the pain, to an extent, to me, is addicting. >> curtis allgier is serving 1 to 15 years for burglary, forgery and escape. >> a lot of people see the swastika and say that's hate. to me, that's not what i wear it for. i wear it as a symbolism of pride of who i am and a symbolism of good luck. and i have a lot of them. >> curtis is locked down wi
crowds are angry about tax hikes, government spending cuts and unemployment rate. now back to "lockup." >>> utah state prison is an institution in flux constantly adjusting to the changes in the state's evolving criminal landscape, especially the trend of younger and more violent inmates coming into the system. many of these men also come to the prison affiliated with a gang. inside utah state prison, there are more than 150 recognized gangs. prison officials say the white...
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mitt romney thinks of people taking veteran's benefits as dedapts on government. thinks of them as the takers. we could have had 48,000 more of those takers if they hadn't been killed in vietnam when mitt romney was playing on the beach. mr. romney was reminded of that today. reminded that he and his fathers and sons did not serve in the wars of their era. he was reminded of that by a man whose family has done the opposite. in virginia today, center wepp said this good the people that mitt romney thinks of as takers. >> i grew up in the military. my dad was a pilot and i was a marine. my brother and son was a marine. i've worked on veteran's issues all of my adult life. governor romney and i are right about the same age young guys. like millions we came to adulthood facing the reality of the war. 2.7 million wept to war. took the lives of young americans and cost 300,000 wounds. during the year that i was in vietnam, 1969 our country lost twice as many dead as we have lost in iraq afghanistan combined over the past ten years of war. 68 was worse and 67 was the sam
mitt romney thinks of people taking veteran's benefits as dedapts on government. thinks of them as the takers. we could have had 48,000 more of those takers if they hadn't been killed in vietnam when mitt romney was playing on the beach. mr. romney was reminded of that today. reminded that he and his fathers and sons did not serve in the wars of their era. he was reminded of that by a man whose family has done the opposite. in virginia today, center wepp said this good the people that mitt...
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and likewise those who are reliant on government are not as attracted to slimming down the size of government. it is not elegantly stated. i'm speaking off-the-cuff in response to a question and i'm sure i could state it more clearly than i did in a setting like that. i'm sure i'll point that out as time goes on. >> joining me now msnbc's alex wagner and chris hayes. the first round of this, he went the rush limbaugh route and explained the comments. he said this is such a golden opportunity. this could be the opportunity for the campaign to take the gloves off and explain conservatism. tonight he says, well that comment i was completely wrong. >> yeah, you know, lawrence the word that has popped into my head in the course of the last 4 hours was labotomy. that is the ome way they are going to believe in the things that he is saying or he has had one. which is the explanation for this pivot. i think what struck me last night was there was btn't the attempt to defend this positions to his tax plans to this position on education funding to any number of thing that is he has run on, he white boa
and likewise those who are reliant on government are not as attracted to slimming down the size of government. it is not elegantly stated. i'm speaking off-the-cuff in response to a question and i'm sure i could state it more clearly than i did in a setting like that. i'm sure i'll point that out as time goes on. >> joining me now msnbc's alex wagner and chris hayes. the first round of this, he went the rush limbaugh route and explained the comments. he said this is such a golden...
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do we want more government, or do we want to get control of government? to govern is to choose, and the choices are never easy. there are lobbies out there that will fight you on every choice you'll make. they're ready to call you names the second they make a choice they don't like. you heard that heckler here tonight. you have to be tough to stand up to that. but being tough won't help you make the right choice. that makes experience and mature judgment. that's what the presidency needs now more than ever. and that's why i ask you to give me your vote. so that i can give you the government you were promised by the founding fathers. thank you very much. >>> on november 6th, i'm going to win pennsylvania and i'm become to become the next president of the united states. >> mitt romney said that on friday when the republican pennsylvania victory plan was still on track. >> voter i.d., which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania. done. >> but a judge today said it's not done. in a huge win for voters rights, the judge blocked the
do we want more government, or do we want to get control of government? to govern is to choose, and the choices are never easy. there are lobbies out there that will fight you on every choice you'll make. they're ready to call you names the second they make a choice they don't like. you heard that heckler here tonight. you have to be tough to stand up to that. but being tough won't help you make the right choice. that makes experience and mature judgment. that's what the presidency needs now...
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in celebration of over 75 years of our government employees insurance company, or geico...as most of you know it. ...i propose savings for everyone! i'm talking hundreds here... and furthermore.. newcaster: breaking news. the gecko is demanding free pudding. and political parties that are actual parties! with cake! and presents! ah, that was good. too bad nobody could hear me. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. prego?! but i've bought ragu for years. [ thinking ] wonder what other questionable choices i've made? i choose date number 2! whooo! [ sigh of relief ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego. >>> welcome back to hardball. after initially urging him 20 drop out, more republicans are encouraging that senate race with mccaskill. weeks ago bond and other top republicans urged him to get out of the race saying these comments by aiken were disqualifying. >> it seems to me first of all from what i understand from doctors, that's very rare. if it is a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down. >> sounds
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it will include three on the economy, one on health care, one on governing and one on the state of government. the role of government, i should say. now, both candidates will be standing at podiums. no strict time limits. each candidate will have two minutes to answer that question and then the rest of the segment will be an open discussion about the topic at hand. so that is how the debate is going to do. aides with the obama campaign say his goal is to deliver his message in a crisp and clear manner. to not seem too long winded as sometimes he has in the past. so that's really his goal and also to make the case about why he thinks he can do a better job in these next four year of turning the economy around and to really give people specifics. as i said, the first lady will be there tonight. it is their 20th anniversary. no time to really celebrate tonight. they say they will do that this weekend. >> quite a way to celebrate. thanks so much. we head tout peter alexander in denver, where mitt romney has been for several days now prepping for the debate this evening. >> you had plenty of sport
it will include three on the economy, one on health care, one on governing and one on the state of government. the role of government, i should say. now, both candidates will be standing at podiums. no strict time limits. each candidate will have two minutes to answer that question and then the rest of the segment will be an open discussion about the topic at hand. so that is how the debate is going to do. aides with the obama campaign say his goal is to deliver his message in a crisp and clear...
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that's the kind of thing that would typically drive conservatives crazy who don't believe using government is a way of showing empathy. andrea i was struck and i'm sure you were too, how many times did romney say that he was not trying to push some big tax cut plan. i mean, jack kemp must be spinning in his grave, the orthodox in the republican party has been that big tax cuts, especially for high earners, lead to economic growth. you saw romney try to move away from that view and i think it's because the obama campaign has defined the romney tax cut plan as a budget buster and as largely as a [ inaudible ] to the rich. romney is trying to move away from that and focus on what he will do for the middle class. but you're talking about not just that, andrea, but also talking about dodd/frank and there are some parts of the wall street regulation bill he likes. you're really seeing a more moderate version of romney as he's trying to appeal to suburban swing voters here in the final weeks. >> and speaking of suburban swing voters, both candidates were in virginia. >> yep. >> and virginia is cr
that's the kind of thing that would typically drive conservatives crazy who don't believe using government is a way of showing empathy. andrea i was struck and i'm sure you were too, how many times did romney say that he was not trying to push some big tax cut plan. i mean, jack kemp must be spinning in his grave, the orthodox in the republican party has been that big tax cuts, especially for high earners, lead to economic growth. you saw romney try to move away from that view and i think it's...
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. >> my own view was that they needed to go through bankruptcy before government help and finally that's what the president did. so i'll take a lot of credit that this industry has come back. >> see, he told the president to let detroit go bankrupt so he should take the credit for saving detroit. and he's just as hapless on taxes. >> raise taxes with obama care but he's got another taxes in mind. >> governor romney doesn't need zingers. he needs to get his story straight. he needs to stop debating himself. and at the end of the day, this election isn't about one liners. just ask our president. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hardworking americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> that's the debate voters deserve. and on wednesday night, they won't be distracted by any zingers cooked up by romney's team of joke writers. joining me now i
. >> my own view was that they needed to go through bankruptcy before government help and finally that's what the president did. so i'll take a lot of credit that this industry has come back. >> see, he told the president to let detroit go bankrupt so he should take the credit for saving detroit. and he's just as hapless on taxes. >> raise taxes with obama care but he's got another taxes in mind. >> governor romney doesn't need zingers. he needs to get his story...
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i saw the president's vision as trickle-down government, and i don't think that's what america believes in. >> all right. let's put it through the spin cycle. steve, you were there in denver. what's your take? >> looking at that obama response, i think everybody says why didn't you say it to his face? why didn't you say that last night? i think, look, it's pretty well established by this point why this was such a disastrous debate for obama. i'll play a quick clip here, and this is a jumping-off point to talk about what he needs to do in the next debates to avoid a repeat of this. let's play a clip of an opening romney gave him that he completely missed. >> i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is there's no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that. virtually everything you said about my tax plan is inaccurate. so if the tax plan he described were a tax plan i was asked to support, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for 5i trillion tax cut. i won't put in a place a tax cut that adds to the def
i saw the president's vision as trickle-down government, and i don't think that's what america believes in. >> all right. let's put it through the spin cycle. steve, you were there in denver. what's your take? >> looking at that obama response, i think everybody says why didn't you say it to his face? why didn't you say that last night? i think, look, it's pretty well established by this point why this was such a disastrous debate for obama. i'll play a quick clip here, and this is...
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freesh government, freedom for the individual, the founding documents. these are things we haven't seen a republican candidate talk about and mean on a national stage in many, many years. that was the most liked and popular answer romney gave last night. a conservative describing why the president's policies failed. he was have effective last night. this is a guy from the romney people hate almost as much as -- >> let me bring in keith boykin on this. with health care it seems that the governor is having both ways here. he wants states in control of health care and medicaid, but he says he would have a formula based on what he did in massachusetts if he became president. so that would be some kind of federal health care, universal health care? >> republicans hate obama care, except last night mitt romney embraced tentative bahama care without calling it that. he would he should repeal it and keep the basic principles behind it. republicans hate the idea of redistributing wealth. mitt romney talked about he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy and mid
freesh government, freedom for the individual, the founding documents. these are things we haven't seen a republican candidate talk about and mean on a national stage in many, many years. that was the most liked and popular answer romney gave last night. a conservative describing why the president's policies failed. he was have effective last night. this is a guy from the romney people hate almost as much as -- >> let me bring in keith boykin on this. with health care it seems that the...
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see the real internet is very dissatisfying to the government of iran. there is all sorts of stuff on the internet the iranian mullahs do not like so they've been busy closing off bits of internet to the iranian public. you can't use google. now you can't use youtube. you can't use specific sites where the government doesn't like what you can read there or what you can see there. they've been doing that forever. kind of playing with the internet. iran's government is apparently getting tired of managing the increasingly complex patchwork of things they want to block the people in their country from seeing online and so instead they have a genius idea. they are suggesting they may just close off access to the real internet all together and instead build themselves their own internal government approved internet. just for their own country. it's not really an internet. it is more like an iran-ternet. they will build their own separate but equal. ridiculous right? but you can understand that sort of controlling dictatorial impulse here that gives rise to th
see the real internet is very dissatisfying to the government of iran. there is all sorts of stuff on the internet the iranian mullahs do not like so they've been busy closing off bits of internet to the iranian public. you can't use google. now you can't use youtube. you can't use specific sites where the government doesn't like what you can read there or what you can see there. they've been doing that forever. kind of playing with the internet. iran's government is apparently getting tired of...
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that angered the turkish government. the prime minister says the syrian government will be held accountable for this and we also understand that turkish officials are now reaching out to nato to possibly exercise nato's article in which any member of nato that is attacked could respond and it's really just highlighting the sense situation on the turkish/syria border there after this deadly incident. the attack in aleppo you referenced really two different accounts coming out from inside syria. the syrian government, the official line from them, this was a terrorist attack, three suicide car explosions taking place in aleppo targeting a military installation, an officers club that killed 31 people. opposition activists say this was an attack targeting the command headquarters if you will of the military operating in aleppo that killed at least 40 people. over the past several days, we know that syrian rebels have been launching an offensive to try to capture the entire city of aleppo. we also know from pro government sour
that angered the turkish government. the prime minister says the syrian government will be held accountable for this and we also understand that turkish officials are now reaching out to nato to possibly exercise nato's article in which any member of nato that is attacked could respond and it's really just highlighting the sense situation on the turkish/syria border there after this deadly incident. the attack in aleppo you referenced really two different accounts coming out from inside syria....
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the law states the federal government will only recognize traditional marriages, meaning no federal benefits even where same-sex marriage is legal. >> same-sex couples are denied hundreds of different rights and benefits that are provided to married different sex couples under federal law. >> reporter: on the docket as well, whether to curtail parts of the historic voting rights act of 1965. it mandates federal oversight for states with a history of voting discrimination, when changing any rules for elections. challengers say the law is outdated and unnecessary. a big lineup of cases that could change the landscape of civil rights in america. fr frances coe, nbc news. >>> and now here's a look at some other stories making news early today in america. in maine, a group of strangers spring into action when an elderly woman drove her car into the portland harbor. the band of good samaritans pulled the 84-year-old out of her car moments before it sank. the woman is in stable condition. some of the rescuers had to be treated for hypothermia. >>> carmageddon 2 has come to an end just in time for t
the law states the federal government will only recognize traditional marriages, meaning no federal benefits even where same-sex marriage is legal. >> same-sex couples are denied hundreds of different rights and benefits that are provided to married different sex couples under federal law. >> reporter: on the docket as well, whether to curtail parts of the historic voting rights act of 1965. it mandates federal oversight for states with a history of voting discrimination, when...
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they tried to shape the iraqi government, explored an alternative to maliki and then tried to create a power sharing arrangement which actually didn't occur. there was an extraordinary episode we recount in the book where president obama called the president of iraq jalal talibani and asked him to resign his job to make way for another iraqi politician. he didn't resign his job. so the obama administration was a lot more involved in trying to shape iraqi politics and you would think from just reading the papers. >> we hear from the administration, from the president, we got out of iraq, we solved the iraq war. is it solved? >> well, first of all, it's important to recognize that the goal was not to get out of iraq. actually, it conducted the -- the administration conducted a negotiation with the iraqis, with the aim of legitimizing the presence of some 5,000 american troops. >> with the iraqis refused to accept. >> they refused to accept but also the americans started very late, they opened the negotiation in june, just allowed several months for it. the president was not so directly
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they expect food from their government. well, you know, tamron, call me carl marx, but i believe the richest nation on earth should provide food to the old, to the young, to the disabled, to the mentally disturbed. the people who can't earn enough money to buy their own food. come on. we can do that. that's not mitt romney's view. i think it is difficult to sell his view to a majority of voters. >> we will see tomorrow how he explains that comment and his view for the rest of the country who do not make millions of dollars but certainly deserve a voice. thank you very much, roger. a pleasure having you on. the possible impact of the debates is part of the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll that debuts tonight on "nightly news." how important will the presidential debates be in helping you decide who to support for president? 38% said extremely, while the majority, 62%, said somewhat and not much. mark murray, is that in line with what we've seen when that question is posed before? >> it's an increase in the people that say
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whobl that they are victims, whobl that the government has a responsibility to care for them. who believe that they're entitled. >> here to talk more about how the campaigns are spending their hundreds of millions is ad expert and vice chairman of reputation.com, howard bragman. good to see you, howard. these 47% comments nobody would disagree have been a gift to democrats. jansing and company got new numbers from visible measures. they say this next video from obama's super-pac, priorities usa, ranks number two for the week with more than a he million views. take a look. >> behind these doors mitt romney calls half the american people -- >> dependent upon government. they believe they are victims. >> victims? behind these doors middle class families struggle, and rom knee will make it tougher raising taxes by up to $2,000 to give multi-million nares a $250,000 tax break. >> do these ads right themselves? it really was a gift. >> it really was. when the history of the 2012 presidential campaign is written, the 47% remark is going to be the seminole moment. there was a journali
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. >>> the oversight and government reform committee will hold a meeting to talk about what killed ambassador chris stevens. the timing is interesting because congress is out of town. congressm >>. >> mitt romney said he would not overturn president obama's executive order that granted temporary work permits for dreamers, children brought to the u.s. by illegal immigrants. this isn't the only area where the candidates agree on immigration. richard lui is here with where they stand. >> are the candidates the same or different on immigration? "no real differences between presidential candidates on immigration." "obama versus romney, 101, five ways they differ on immigration." president obama's deferred action plan for immigrants in the u.s. illegally or without authorization. today governor romney says he would continue it. 1.7 million unauthorized immigrants under 31 could benefit from this potentially staying two years with work authorization, as well. that is a lighter version of the dream act which would give permanent residency. the president stalled the president's effort in 2010. romney
. >>> the oversight and government reform committee will hold a meeting to talk about what killed ambassador chris stevens. the timing is interesting because congress is out of town. congressm >>. >> mitt romney said he would not overturn president obama's executive order that granted temporary work permits for dreamers, children brought to the u.s. by illegal immigrants. this isn't the only area where the candidates agree on immigration. richard lui is here with where they...